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Just a quick question for all of you, what is the difference between humans and elvens?
Second question, do you believe your soul to be elven, or your soul and your physical body in this life to be elven?
Thanks,
Kaliel
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Tue, November 1, 2005 - 7:39 AMIf this gets posted twice please forgive Tribe for glitching.
This is just my thoughts and beliefs but................
The difference between elves and humans is one of Stewardship, first and foremost. Elves respect the world they live in while humans all too often forget to respect and nurture the environments they live in. Elves live a much longer time than do humans as well. I think/feel in great part that this is part of their Stewardship. There isn't a need to overpopulate and consume vast resources. I don't know about the magic bit, but I suspect that magic for elves is simply their answer to human technologies. Makes more sense to me at least.
I don't know about being an elf in another life but I believe it is very possible, and likely pprobable. I know that I have often had lucid dreams of being an elf, of interacting with them. It has never been quite the same as what you read in the many fantasy novels about elves, but it feels and seems just as real to me. I have many memories of lives other than this one. Where those memories come from I cannot say for certain. Whatever the truth is, I do know that the dreams and the elves and dragons I see, have been wonderful guides and friends. What they teach me feels right and true on a soul/gut level.
Would I prefer to be an elf rather than a human? You bet. At pesent though, I reside in a human body with all of its frailties, fears, hopes, ideals and disappointments. There's nothing saying that I, or we, can't evolve to something more though.
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Wed, November 2, 2005 - 4:39 AMI agree with Drake. Good post!
I have traceable elven bloodlines so it's a little more than just spirit. Some people just have an elven soul, others have the ancestry, although it is mixed a lot with human.
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Wed, November 2, 2005 - 9:46 AMThanks Raven.
I know from geneology and family history which can be traced back many centuries, that I have a lot of pict blood in me. I don't know if that is considered 'elven' or not. I'm not familiar with how one would go about finding out if one had elven ancestry. I would almost bet though that I do. My grandmother, before she died when I was very young, told my aunt that of all the grandchildren, I was the only one who would have the 'gift'. She was a very gifted psychic/healer in her time and place, though in that time and place, it was kept largely quiet. She died before I could find out anymore but I suspect any elven bloodlines flow through her.
I'm not surprised yet I am at the same time when magic things seem to happen around me. Dancing blue lights that not only I but my dogs watched, dancing around us last summer near my pond. Animals who stop and seem to be paying attention to me as I talk to them, without fear. Even strange things like asking the nature spirits to clear the yard before I mow the grass, so that no one gets injured. Mine is the only yard of the past few years that hasn't had garden snakes, squirrels or birds killed or injured. If it is elven blood working in and for me, I wish it were much stronger. <G> I'm afraid I suck at being human.
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Wed, November 2, 2005 - 1:01 PMIt is my understanding that souls can indeed be elven, but from my experience it can be biological.... although there are no full-blooded elves in the physical 3D world, as they've ascended. Definitely half-breeds, though. -
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Thu, November 3, 2005 - 1:32 PMOne distinct difference between Elves and Humans is that Elves
poop out pellets like a rabbit .
* grinz *
Elves have souls ? Ha ! Prove such a boast !
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Sun, November 6, 2005 - 8:33 AMelves do not have souls, or to put it another way, an elve does not have divison between body and soul that humans do.
so when an elf dies they die completly, it is part of the whole imortality thing.
picts are not elves and as far as it can be said that they had an oppinion they did not like elves. as elves a capricious, and cruel.
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Sun, November 6, 2005 - 8:46 AMI've always found it amazing and somewhat unfortunate that humans, or at least some humans feel that they are qualified to judge whether elves, or any race for that matter, have souls or not. There was a time when europeans believed that blacks and other races not white, had no souls.
As for the picts, I have yet to read anything from them, other than the chronology of pictish kings that offers their opinions or lack thereof on elves.
I can only gather what beliefs I have of elves from my guides. I cannot quote any written record and I do not consciously know any elves among us to agree or dispute the legends and stories about them. If someone does have written historical records, verified as being written by elves, please share. -
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Tue, November 8, 2005 - 10:51 AMHa ha ha ha !!!!
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Tue, November 8, 2005 - 7:02 PMto answer the question for me, i'm pretty darn sure that its both the physical and soul... personally i believe that the genetics is actually a reflection of the soul experiences... in another words... my soul has elven qualities to it... the physical has to support this and give me a vehicle to express that aspect of my soul, therefore, it must contain elven genetics as well... i hope that makes sense. :-)
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Thu, November 10, 2005 - 6:27 AM"Elves would never leave a written historical record
that could be glanced by human eyes ."
You are most likely correct. At least full blooded Elves didn't. But Tolkien revealed Elven history even if he did write in the 20th century he obtained visions & memories of the past, intermingled with bits & pieces of various Euro-mythologies already written.
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Thu, November 10, 2005 - 10:56 AMNo, it is doubtful that any written records of and by elves will be found, or exists. That is the IRONY, which seems to have bypassed some members. The discussion is about diffeences between humans and elves. My point is that it is ridiculous to make claims that elves have no souls. That kind of crap is popular in fantasy novels and based on no actual knowledge known to humans. It is a device to add depth and character to a race of beings that evolve and tell a story. It is NOT history or fact as some people seem to forget. I'm sorry if this is an RPG related tribe only. If that is the case, my apologies. In any serious question however, racial bigotry makes my blood run very hot. -
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Thu, November 10, 2005 - 7:31 PMRead the Silmarillion by Tolkien -
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Sat, November 12, 2005 - 5:23 PMmy post is not rpg basied, but based on the mythology and folklore of the british Isles. If you choose to belive differently that is your choice but i do not agree with you, or belive anyone has an elvish soul or any physical qualities reflecting the same -
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Mon, November 14, 2005 - 7:36 AMElvish wenches have almost no arse to speak of unlike the
round rumps roast you'll find on most humans. A human will feed maybe 2-3 Orcs, an Elf will feed one Orc with a light appetite.
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Fri, August 4, 2006 - 9:27 AMthat's not true!!!!!!
i'd gladly cut a few inches off of my bubble butt!!!!!!!!!!
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Thu, August 3, 2006 - 11:46 PMOK the closest thing I know of to history written by Elves is the history of Jonny Faa [and of his decendants] who lived in southern Scotland. Among his mischeif's was the episode where he stole the Earl of Dalhousie's Daughter and took her for his wife... Seems the Lady was not pleased with her fathers choice of a husband and rode off with Jonny Faa instead.
I forget which of the Jameses [it was I think James III of Scotland] that was the king who solomized the marriage of Jonny Faa and Lady Ramsey.
The song "Gypsy Rover" is based on that historical event complete with a feast in the glen.
The somewhat ribald history of the Faa in Scotland is a matter of public record but I'd have to research to see what lands the family still has in Scotland... I do know that they nolonger use Faa as a sirname in Scotland though they doso outside of Scotland.
Peace,
Rev. Cat Faye
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Sun, January 28, 2007 - 10:10 PMDoes the Elven Magic go with having Elven blood, or can it also be with just having the Elven Spirit?
I think I may have Elven blood, but not much now. My brother doesn't act like an Elf at all, he loves seeing destruction and this i don't understand. yet, my mother seems to have Elven Blood just as her brother, David had it before her.
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Sat, August 5, 2006 - 7:26 AMMy soul is an imortal citizen of the universe. I hapen to have a little elven blood, and I have spent pasts lives as an elf.
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Thu, August 10, 2006 - 9:00 PMWhat's the difference between humans and elves?
Here on Midguard, the differences are purely cultural.
Presumably, Her song is heard elsewhere in the omniverse, and according to various legends, various different types of critters become part of it - and become elves.
My soul is mine, because if I were someone else I'd be wearing the wrong underwear.
My body is composed of genetic matter from at least three elven cultures of which I'm aware, and doubtless many more of which I'm not.
Now ask me a hard one, about the Hundred Acre Wood, and cheese, and giant robot spiders!
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Thu, August 10, 2006 - 9:13 PMfrom: Wikepedia
Elf can be pluralized both as elves and elfs. Something associated with elves or the qualities of elves is described by the adjectives elfin, elven, elfish, or elvish. They are also called:
Germany: Elfen, Elben and Alben
Great Britain: addler
Iceland: álfar, álfafólk and huldufólk
Scandinavia: elvere or ellefolk in Denmark, alver or elvefolk in Norway, and alfer, alver or älvor in Sweden
Although there has been debate, the words elf, álf and their relatives almost certainly come from the same Indo-European root *albh as the Latin albus (white).[1] Characteristics of traditional elvesElves in Norse mythology
The earliest preserved description of elves comes from Norse mythology, the by far best known version of the earlier Germanic mythology. In Old Norse they are called álfar (singular, nominative case: álfr), and although no older or contemporary descriptions exist, the appearance of beings etymologically related to álfar in various later folklore strongly suggests that the belief in elves were common among all the Germanic tribes, and not limited solely to the ancient Scandinavians.
Elves make various appearances in Norse mythology. Although the concept itself is never clearly defined in our sources, elves appear to have been understood as powerful and beautiful human-sized beings. They are commonly referred to collectively as semi-divine beings associated with fertility as well as the cult of the ancestors. As such, elves appear similar to the animistic belief in spirits of nature and of the deceased, common to nearly all human religions; something that, on a side note, is true also for the Old Norse belief in fylgjur and vörðar ("follower" and "warden" spirits, respectively). Arguably, elves are the Germanic equivalent to the nymphs of Greek and Roman mythology, as well as the vili and rusalki of Slavic mythology.
The god Freyr, the lord of the light-elvesThe Icelandic mythographer and historian Snorri Sturluson seems to have referred to dwarves (dvergar) as "dark-elves" (dökkálfar) or "black-elves" (svartálfar); whether this usage reflects wider medieval Scandinavian belief is uncertain.[2] Elves who are not dark-elves are referred to by Snorri as "light-elves" (ljósálfar); this usage has often been connected with elves' etymological connection with whiteness. Snorri describes their differences like so:
There are many magnificent dwellings. One is there called Alfheim. There dwell the folk that are called light-elves; but the dark-elves dwell down in the earth, and they are unlike the light-elves in appearance, but much more so in deeds. The light-elves are fairer than the sun to look upon, but the dark-elves are blacker than pitch.[3]
Evidence for elves in Norse mythology outside Snorri's work, and in earlier evidence, comes from Skaldic poetry, the Poetic Edda and legendary sagas. Here elves are linked with the Æsir, particularly through the common phrase "Æsir and the elves", which presumably means "all the gods".[4] The elves have been compared or identified with the Vanir (fertility gods) by some scholars (e.g. Hall 2004, pp. 43-46). However, in the Alvíssmál ("The Sayings of All-Wise"), the elves are considered distinct from both the Vanir and the Æsir, as revealed by a series of comparative names in which Æsir, Vanir, and elves are given their own versions for various words in a reflection of their individual racial preferences. Possibly, the words designate a difference in status between the major fertility gods (the Vanir) and the minor ones (the elves). Grímnismál relates that the Van Freyr was the lord of Álfheimr (meaning "elf-world"), the home of the light-elves. Lokasenna relates that a large group of Æsir and elves had assembled at Ægir's court for a banquet. Several minor forces, the servants of gods, are presented such as Byggvir and Beyla, who belonged to Freyr, the lord of the elves, and they were probably elves, since they were not counted among the gods. Two other mentioned servants were Fimafeng (who was murdered by Loki) and Eldir.
Some speculate that Vanir and elves belong to an earlier Nordic Bronze Age religion of Scandinavia, and were later replaced by the Æsir as main gods. Others (most notably Georges Dumézil) argue that the Vanir were the gods of the common Norsemen, and the Æsir those of the priest and warrior castes (see also Nerthus).
A poem from around 1020, the Austrfaravísur ('Eastern-journey verses') of Sigvatr Þorðarson, mentions that, as a Christian, he was refused board in a heathen household, in Sweden, because an álfablót ("elves' sacrifice") was being conducted there. However, we have no further reliable information as to what an álfablót involved,[5] but like other blóts it probably included the offering of foods, and later Scandinavian folklore retained a tradition of sacrificing treats to the elves (see below). From the time of year (close to the autumnal equinox) and the elves' association with fertility and the ancestors, we might assume that it had to do with the ancestor cult and the life force of the family.
The smith hero Völundr, the ruler of the elvesIn addition to this, Kormáks saga accounts for how a sacrifice to elves was apparently believed able to heal a severe battle wound:
Þorvarð healed but slowly; and when he could get on his feet he went to see Þorðís, and asked her what was best to help his healing.
"A hill there is," answered she, "not far away from here, where elves have their haunt. Now get you the bull that Kormák killed, and redden the outer side of the hill with its blood, and make a feast for the elves with its flesh. Then thou wilt be healed."[6]
The Scandinavian elves were of human size. Full-sized famous men could be elevated to the rank of elves after death, such as the petty king Olaf Geirstad-Elf, and the smith hero Völund (titled as "ruler of elves" in the Völundarkviða). Even crossbreeding was possible between elves and humans in the Old Norse belief. One case appears in Hrólf Kraki's saga, where the Danish king Helgi finds an elf-woman clad in silk who is the most beautiful woman he has ever seen. He rapes her and later she bears the daughter Skuld, who married Hjörvard, Hrólf Kraki's killer. Another case was the hero Högni, whose mother was a human queen, and whose father, according to the Thidrekssaga, was an elf by the name of Aldrian (though it should be noted that this text is largely translated from German material).
There are also in the Heimskringla and in Þorsteins saga Víkingssonar accounts of a line of local kings who ruled over Álfheim, corresponding to the modern Swedish province Bohuslän, and since they had elven blood they were said to be more beautiful than most men.
The land governed by King Alf was called Alfheim, and all his offspring are related to the elves. They were fairer than any other people ...[7]
The last king is named Gandalf.
Scandinavian elves
Little älvor, playing with Tomtebobarnen. From Children of the Forest (1910) by Swedish author and illustrator Elsa Beskow.
In Scandinavian folklore, which is a later blend of Norse mythology and elements of Christian mythology, an elf is called elver in Danish, alv in Norwegian, and alv or älva in Swedish (the first is masculine, the second feminine). The Norwegian expressions seldom appear in genuine folklore, and when they do, they are always used synonymous to huldrefolk or vetter, a category of earth-dwelling beings generally held to be more related to Norse dwarves than elves.
In Denmark and Sweden, the elves appear as beings distinct from the vetter, even though the border between them is diffuse. The insect-winged fairies in the folklore of the British Isles are often called "älvor" in modern Swedish or "alfer" in danish, although the correct translation is "feer." In a similar vein, the alf found in the fairy tale The Elf of the Rose by Danish author H. C. Andersen is so tiny that he can have a rose blossom for home, and has "wings that reached from his shoulders to his feet". Yet, Andersen also wrote about elvere in The Elfin Hill. The elves in this story are more alike those of traditional Danish folklore, who were beautiful females, living in hills and boulders, capable of dancing a man to death. Like the huldra in Norway and Sweden, they are hollow when seen from the back. Small wingless elves of British folklore also appear distinct thus Santa's Elves at called "tomte" in Swedish or "nisse" in Danish.
The elves of Norse mythology have survived into folklore mainly as females, living in hills and mounds of stones (cf. Galadriel's account of what would happen to the Elves who remained in Middle-Earth). The Swedish älvor[8] (sing. älva) were stunningly beautiful girls who lived in the forest with an elven king. They were long-lived and light-hearted in nature. The elves are typically pictured as fair-haired, white-clad and like most creatures in the Scandinavian folklore can be really nasty when offended. In the stories, they often play the role of disease-spirits. The most common, though also most harmless case was various irritating skin rashes, which were called älvablåst (elven blow) and could be cured by a forceful counter-blow (a handy pair of bellows was most useful for this purpose). Skålgropar, a particular kind of petroglyph found in Scandinavia, were known in older times as älvkvarnar (elven mills), pointing to their believed usage. One could appease the elves by offering them a treat (preferably butter) placed into an elven mill – perhaps a custom with roots in the Old Norse álfablót.
Ängsälvor, "meadow elves", (1850), painting by Nils Blommér.
The elves could be seen dancing over meadows, particularly at night and on misty mornings. They left a kind of circle were they had danced, which were called älvdanser (elf dances) or älvringar (elf circles), and to urinate in one was thought to cause venereal diseases. Typically, it consisted of a ring of small mushrooms, but there was also another kind of elf circle:
On lake shores, where the forest met the lake, you could find elf circles. They were round places where the grass had been flattened like a floor. Elves had danced there. By Lake Tisaren, I have seen one of those. It could be dangerous and one could become ill if one had trodden over such a place or if one destroyed anything there.
If a human watched the dance of the elves, he would discover that even though only a few hours seemed to have passed, many years had passed in the real world. (This time phenomenon is retold in Tolkien's Lord of the Rings when the Fellowship of the Ring discovers that time seems to have run more slowly in elven Lothlórien. It also has a remote parallel in the Irish sídhe.) In a song from the late Middle Ages about Olaf Liljekrans, the elven queen invites him to dance. He refuses, he knows what will happen if he joins the dance and he is on his way home to his own wedding. The queen offers him gifts, but he declines. She threatens to kill him if he does not join, but he rides off and dies of the disease she sent upon him, and his young bride dies of a broken heart.[9]
However, the elves were not exclusively young and beautiful. In the Swedish folktale Little Rosa and Long Leda, an elvish woman (älvakvinna) arrives in the end and saves the heroine, Little Rose, on condition that the king's cattle no longer graze on her hill. She is described as an old woman and by her aspect people saw that she belonged to the subterraneans.
German elves
What remained of the belief in elves in German folklore was that they were mischievous pranksters that could cause disease to cattle and people, and bring bad dreams to sleepers. The German word for nightmare, Albtraum, means "elf dream". The archaic form Albdruck means "elf pressure"; it was believed that nightmares are a result of an elf sitting on the dreamer's chest. This aspect of German elf-belief largely corresponds to the Scandinavian belief in the mara. It is also similar to the legends regarding incubi and succubi.[10]
As noted above, an elven king occasionally appears among the predominantly female elves in Denmark and Sweden. In the German middle-age epic the Nibelungenlied, a dwarf named Alberich play an important role. Alberich literally translates as "elf-sovereign", further contributing to the elf–dwarf confusion observed already in the Younger Edda. Via the French Alberon, the same name has entered English as Oberon – king of elves and fairies in Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream (see below).
The legend of Der Erlkönig appears to have originated in fairly recent times in Denmark and Goethe based his poem on "Erlkönigs Tochter" ("Erlkönig's Daughter"), a Danish work translated into German by Johann Gottfried Herder.
The Erlkönig's nature has been the subject of some debate. The name translates literally from the German as "Alder King" rather than its common English translation, "Elf King" (which would be rendered as Elfenkönig in German). It has often been suggested that Erlkönig is a mistranslation from the original Danish ellerkonge or elverkonge, which does mean "elf king".
According to German and Danish folklore, the Erlkönig appears as an omen of death, much like the banshee in Irish mythology. Unlike the banshee, however, the Erlkönig will appear only to the person about to die. His form and expression also tell the person what sort of death they will have: a pained expression means a painful death, a peaceful expression means a peaceful death. This aspect of the legend was immortalised by Goethe in his poem Der Erlkönig, later set to music by Schubert.
In the Brothers Grimm fairy tale Der Schuhmacher und die Heinzelmännchen, a group of naked, one foot tall beings called Heinzelmännchen help a shoemaker in his work. When he rewards their work with little clothes, they are so delighted, that they run away and are never seen again. Even though Heinzelmännchen are akin to beings such as kobolds and dwarves, the tale has been translated to English as The Shoemaker & the Elves, (probably due to the similarity of the henzelmannchen to Scottish brownies) and is echoed in J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter stories (see House-elf).
English elves
Poor little birdie teased by Richard Doyle
Poor little birdie teased, by Victorian era illustrator Richard Doyle depicts the traditional view of an elf from later English folklore as a diminutive woodland humanoid.
The word elf came into English as the Old English word ælf (pl. ælfe, with regional and chronological variants such as ylfe and ælfen), and so came to Britain originally with the Anglo-Saxons.[11] Words for the nymphs of the Greek and Roman mythos were translated by Anglo-Saxon scholars with ælf and variants on it.[12]
Although our early English evidence is slight, there are reasons to think that Anglo-Saxon elves (ælfe) were similar to early elves in Norse mythology: human-like, human-sized supernatural beings, capable of helping or harming the people who encountered them. In particular, the pairing of æsir and álfar found in the Poetic Edda is mirrored in the Old English charm Wið færstice and in the distinctive occurrence of the cognate words os and ælf in Anglo-Saxon personal names (e.g. Oswald, Ælfric[13] ).
In relation to the beauty of the Norse elves, some further evidence is given by old English words such as ælfsciene ("elf-beautiful"), used of seductively beautiful Biblical women in the Old English poems Judith and Genesis A.[14] Although elves could be considered to be beautiful and potentially helpful beings in some sections of English-speaking society throughout its history, Anglo-Saxon evidence also attests to alignments of elves with demons, as for example in line 112 of Beowulf. On the other hand, oaf is simply a variant of the word elf, presumably originally referring to a changeling or to someone stupefied by elvish enchantment.
Little documentation exists on English rustic beliefs and terminology before the 19th century, but it seems that the term elf was used, at least on some occasions or in some places, for various kinds of uncanny wights, either human-sized or smaller. But other terms were also used.
Elf-shot (or elf-bolt or elf-arrow) is a word found in Scotland and Northern England, first attested in a manuscript of about the last quarter of the 16th century. Although first attested in the sense 'sharp pain caused by elves', it is later attested denoting Neolithic flint arrow-heads, which by the 17th century seem to have been attributed in Scotland to elvish folk, and which were used in healing rituals, and alleged to be used by witches (and perhaps elves) to injure people and cattle.[15] So too a tangle in the hair was called an elf-lock, as being caused by the mischief of the elves, and sudden paralysis was sometimes attributed to elf-stroke. Compare with the following excerpt from an 1750 ode by Willam Collins:
There every herd, by sad experience, knows
How, winged with fate, their elf-shot arrows fly,
When the sick ewe her summer food forgoes,
Or, stretched on earth, the heart-smit heifers lie.[16]
The elf makes many appearances in ballads of English and Scottish origin, as well as folk tales, many involving trips to Elphame or Elfland (the Álfheim of Norse mythology), a mystical realm which is sometimes an eerie and unpleasant place. The elf is often portrayed in a positive light, such as the Queen of Elphame in the ballad Thomas the Rhymer, but examples exist of the elf has a sinister character, as in the Tale of Childe Rowland, or the ballad Lady Isabel of the Elf-Knight, in which the Elf-Knight bears away Isabel to murder her. In none of these cases is the elf a spritely character with pixie-like qualities.
English folktales of the early modern period typically portray elves as small, elusive people with mischievous personalities. They are not evil but might annoy humans or interfere in their affairs. They are sometimes said to be invisible. In this tradition, elves became more or less synonymous with the fairies that originated from native British mythology, for example, the Welsh Ellyll (plural Ellyllon) and Y Dynon Bach Têg.
"To make my small elves coats; and some keep back." One of Arthur Rackham's illustrations to William Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream. [1]
Successively, the word elf, as well as literary term fairy, evolved to a general denotation of various nature spirits like pwcca, hobgoblin, Robin Goodfellow, the Scots brownie, and so forth. These terms, like their relatives in other European languages, are no longer clearly distinguished in popular folklore.
Significant for the distancing of the concept of elves from its mythological origins was the influence from literature. In Elizabethan England, William Shakespeare imagined elves as little people. He apparently considered elves and fairies to be the same race. In Henry IV, part 1, act II, scene iv, he has Falstaff call Prince Henry, "you starveling, you elfskin!", and in his A Midsummer Night's Dream, his elves are almost as small as insects. On the other hand, Edmund Spenser applies elf to full-sized beings in The Faerie Queene.
The influence of Shakespeare and Michael Drayton made the use of elf and fairy for very small beings the norm. In Victorian literature, elves usually appeared in illustrations as tiny men and women with pointed ears and stocking caps. An example is Andrew Lang's fairy tale Princess Nobody (1884), illustrated by Richard Doyle, where fairies are tiny people with butterfly wings, whereas elves are tiny people with red stocking caps. There were exceptions to this rule however, such as the full-sized elves who appear in Lord Dunsany's The King of Elfland's Daughter.
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Fri, August 11, 2006 - 5:52 AMWow...thanks, Argent....
Now...we know the Wikepedia story....
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Tue, November 21, 2006 - 11:25 PMOk listen good cause I am a real Alf (Elf). We do not have magical power. We are not immortal.
We do live longer than most ppl. I don't know why we just do. We are more in tune with nature than most other ppl but I guess that's just cause the world kinda stayed away from us and letft well enugh alone. We do have amazing eye site and hearing. We are tall, age-less, lighter than you expect, stronger than we apear, fast, cunning and really good at hiding. We hid from you for a long time didn't we And no there isn't much wrighten history of us.
Yes we do have souls and no we don't shit rabit turds you fuckin goof. My shit smells like yours.
Our population is on a drastic decline so it's rare to meet a Alf that is full blooded. So concider this a honer.
Oh and Drake. It is posable that you are part Alf cause ppl from my tribe did travel to the Pict area and some even stayed
Now that that's out of the way I'll answer your question Kaliel.
The difference between Elvens and Humans is small.
Other than I havn't aged in about 11 yrs (I'm 27 by the way) and my mom who is 49 looks like she's 30. Not too much is diffrent.
To answer your second question. Um derr. LOL.
Oh i'm gonna add in how the immortal thing got started. It's all in a name. My name to be exact. I bare the name of the first king of the Alf's King Mikkell. It's a fam. tradition to pass the name down and cince we look alot like our grand father. Don't ask how cause i don't know. So yeah that's the immortal story.
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Wed, November 22, 2006 - 9:29 AMI agree very much with Drake's original post. All kidding aside I do completely feel that I am an Elf in a human body and I've always been really uncomfortable with being here since the very beginning. Fantasy aside - I do believe elven blood exists in some of us and it's always made us feel there's something completely different from the core completely setting us apart from the humans who are not. I love what Drake said about stewardship. Thank you for sharing.
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Re: Differences
Sun, November 26, 2006 - 1:11 PMI believe that Elves are nature spirits - Elementals. Elementals can incarnate human bodies, apparently.
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Re: Differences
Wed, December 13, 2006 - 3:20 AMMy understanding is this: I am very attuned to my body and its workings, and very attuned to my soul and its workings. What most of us are dealing with is a spiritual heritage of a sorts. Some of us, by right of birth, have blood of elves running through our veins. Some of us WERE elves.
Differences? Yeah, humans simply seem to use magick in their workings.
Elves are a PART of the Magick.....
I have both lineage coming from the Tuatha de Danaan on my mother's side, and Vanir from my father's side... -
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Fri, December 15, 2006 - 3:00 PM" Elves are PART of the magick "
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Re: Differences
Tue, December 19, 2006 - 3:12 AMBetter seelie nonsense than unseelie offal!
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Re: Differences
Sun, January 28, 2007 - 10:22 PMElves do have magic from what I have experienced. Though I myself cannot control it, it seems to happen for me when I am desperate. It is tiring for me and so I don't use magic often. I have believed Elves are a part of magic and I do believe in the seelie and unseelie court as well, although the unseelie seem crouchy to me when I read what has been written!
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Re: Differences
Sun, January 28, 2007 - 10:06 PMHumans and Elves... I know that we tend to think differently. I have heard many things that say Elves lack ambition, I do not believe this is true for if I really want something I'll go for it. I just would like to enjoy myself while I do. Humans seem more destructive at times... but in all honesty not all humans are destructive.
Elven and Human nature I think is what seperates us. Elves and Otherkin seem to experience a tighter connection with nature than most humans have said to feel. I know Humans think the majority of us weird. Still, I am still learning about myself as an Elf so this is a question I will keep in mind.
My soul is Elven although it seems to affect my physical body. I can see better and hear better than most humans can, I don't know how much better. Still, my body isn't that different than a human's yet and I don't know if it will ever be.